Trip Reports

• Time of Year: Fall
• Travel Method: Plane, Rental Car
• Resort: Fort Wilderness Campground
• Accommodations: Wilderness Home
• Ages Represented in Group: Adult
• WDW Experience Represented in Group: Rookie
• Comments: Steve's report wasn't written until 1997, but it covers the first impressions of a couple of Disneyland veterans very well. Steve and his wife stayed at Fort Wilderness Campground. The trip was a short one, since the Clarks only had a few short days to spend in the parks, but the impressions and comparisons Steve writes are priceless.

Date of the Trip to WDW

November 30 - December 2, 1996 (Thanksgiving weekend)

Date of this Trip Report

September, 1997 (I know it's late, I hope someone will still read it)

The Participants

Steve (that's me), 37 yrs. old, computer applications manager and professional photographer. I am 20+ year Disneyland veteran…and Dayle, (she told me not to reveal her age), my wife of 1 ½ yrs., homemaker (primarily taking care of our new baby) and lifetime Disney fan, particularly of Mr. Walt Disney and Winnie the Pooh.

Report Format

I tried to follow the example of others, particularly the great Brian Bennett and Mike Scopa reports. Since I have been going to DL for many years and never been to WDW, it was neat to experience another of Walt Disney's dream for the first time and my observations in this report probably reflect that. At the end, I will present my top 10 favorite and bottom 10 least favorite experiences, along with my wife's top 5 and bottom 5.

The Situation

In November 1996, we planned on visiting my wife's family in the West Palm Beach area (Tequesta) for Thanksgiving. At that time, Western Pacific Airlines flew directly from Colorado Springs (COS) to Orlando, thus giving me the idea of spending time at WDW.

No big deal, right? Well, I am a 20+ year veteran of Disneyland (see my Trip Report for January 1997 here on Brian's site) but I have never been to WDW. I have never even been to Florida until I met my wife's (then my fiancée) family in Thanksgiving, 1995. Ever since I saw a show about The Magic Kingdom (TMK) on the Wonderful World of Disney in 1970 and reading about Epcot, it has always been my lifetime dream to go to WDW. My wife, on the other hand, grew up in Ft. Lauderdale and has been to TMK several times in the 1970s.

The Setup

In July 1996, we decided to make plans for returning to Florida for Thanksgiving. If I remember correctly, it wasn't until that September when Western Pacific (WP) started to fly round-trip directly into Orlando. Since WP is (was?) Colorado Springs' own airline, it provided us a very inexpensive and extremely convenient way to get to Florida. I made the airline reservations with our travel agent and get this, our tickets cost $239 each and it was a non-stop flight during the Thanksgiving holidays! To put this in perspective, when we flew from COS to West Palm Beach in 1995, the cheapest ticket was about $400 each and that included changing planes in Dallas.

At that time, Dayle worked at FedEx, thus allowing us become members of the Magic Kingdom Club (MKC) through a corporate sponsor. She signed up for membership on-line at FedEx, indicating what kind of tickets we wanted and for how long. A couple of days later, they sent the whole package to us by mail.

Since I have never been to WDW and it has been a while since Dayle went, we started to do the research on which theme parks to visit and where to stay.

You might be saying, just get a Park-Hopper or a World-Hopper pass and hop around like everyone else does. We couldn't because we were limited in time. Basically, we would fly into Orlando on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, drive to Tequesta where her family is and spend Thursday and Friday there. We would leave very early Saturday morning, drive to back to Orlando (about 2 hours away), go to one of the parks on Saturday and another on Sunday, and then leave on a 5:00 pm flight on Monday.

OK, so which two parks to visit and where to stay? As mentioned in my DL Trip Report, I swear by the Unofficial Guide guidebooks (hereafter, the guidebook). After reading about each resort (we knew we wanted to stay in WDW), we eagerly choose the Wilderness Lodge, since that presented a western mountain theme (which we love very dearly being from high Colorado). Also, the guidebook says it's the best for romantic couples.

However, when Dayle called the MKC Travel Center, they were booked up for those two nights. She then asked what was available in our price range (under $175 per night with our approx. 15% MKC discount). They said a Wilderness Home (WH) in Fort Wilderness (FW) was available for $140 per night. She went ahead and made the reservations, knowing we could cancel. That night, we read about the WH in the guidebook and found out it was a mobile home with a full kitchen situated in the middle of trees and trails. Cool! For $140, you can't beat that since we could save money on eating out.

To finish making travel arrangements, we reserved a car since the guidebook strongly recommended not using the WDW transportation system.

By the way, since the time we went last November, I have been devotedly reading the wonderful WDW Trip Reports. I now know a lot more than I did then. However, I am very glad that we had a car since I would not have tolerated the inefficient and slow transportation system that others have experienced, especially from FW.

The Planning

All along I knew that we wanted to go to Epcot, since the premise is right up our alley (educational-based entertainment). It was just a matter of picking the right day to go (Saturday or Sunday). Since it was a holiday weekend, we knew it would be crowded and we definitely wanted to avoid the extreme crowds. The other consideration was that my wife was 3 months pregnant in November, thus changing the focus a little since being pregnant eliminated several attractions. So where do we go for the other day?

After reading about TMK in the guidebook, I kind of thought it would not be too much of a difference than going to DL. In fact, I thought it would be a let-down since it does not have Star Tours, Indy, New Orleans Sqaure and CircleVision's America the Beautiful, plus the many small things that make DL unique. However, with me being a history buff, my wife told me I got to see Liberty Square and the Hall of Presidents in TMK. OK, so it's Epcot and TMK.

Truthfully, we did not know much about Disney-MGM (MGM) so we did not seriously consider going there. I really did not know what they had there, I thought it was like Universal Studios in LA, which I thought was OK. However, as I read about the MGM in the guidebook, the more interested I got. I read about stuff like The Great Movie Ride, Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular, Tower of Terror, Muppets 3D, etc. I told my wife I think we should skip TMK and go to MGM instead.

So it was decided. We would go to the MGM on Saturday (TMK had Early Entry (EE) that day) and Epcot on Sunday (MGM had EE that day). To get ahead of myself, picking to go to those two parks on their respective days proved to be the best choice we made. Even for a holiday weekend, there were very little crowds!!!

Saturday, November 30 - Disney/MGM Studios

We wanted to be in the MGM parking lot around 8 am for their 9 am opening. So we left Tequesta at 6 am and made it to the World Drive exit at 8 am. For all of you veterans of WDW this may not be a big deal, but when I saw the four-line highways in WDW and all of the WDW-specific signs, I was really impressed. You have to realize I am used to going to DL and navigating my way on Harbor Blvd. and Katella Ave. I appreciate good highway signs and I found the ones in WDW to be very clear and easy to follow. As hoped, we were in the MGM parking lot at 8:15, even got to park up close.

Since the one-day/one-park pass we got was a generic ticket, as soon as you slide the ticket into the reader, it locks you into that park for that day (even though you can go in and out, but all of you know that already). We did see something strange as we were going through the turnstiles - people sticking their finger into a slot. I know now what that was about but at the time it just looked, well, different.

Since we did not have an idea of what the crowds were going to be like, I decided to follow the Touring Plan as detailed in the Unofficial guidebook, at least for the morning. First off, obviously, was Tower of Terror (ToT). My wife could not go on it (remember, she was 3 months pregnant), so she got a bagel and fruit juice someplace on Sunset Blvd. and waited for me. It turned out to be only a 5 minute wait which was too short for me to enjoy the unique atmosphere of the old hotel. Our CM 'bellhop' turned out to be one I have seen since on commercials and promotional videos, I forgot his name, but he fits that part beautifully (really creepy-like).

As far as the ride itself, the queue area was incredible, but (I know this may sound jaded) I thought the two drops were somewhat lame. Afterwords, I thought "is this all there is to it? And people wait in line two hours for this?"

After ToT, it was onto Little Mermaid, which Dayle enjoyed. I thought it was boring, but it was a nice long show.

By the way, as you will see at the end of this rambling report, the thing that impressed me more that anything else about WDW was how long the shows and rides were at MGM and Epcot. Even though some of them may be boring or stupid, at least for 20 - 35 minutes, you felt like you were getting your money's worth. My biggest gripe of the thrill rides at WDW, DL, Universal LA, etc. is that you wait in a long line for a 60 - 120 seconds thrill. With some notable exceptions, that's not worth it in my book.

Next up (according the plan) was The Great Movie Ride (TGMR). My wife and I are both movie buffs and absolutely love this ride. It was long and entertaining. My favorite scene was where they showed the movie clips towards the end. My wife liked the Indiana Jones part best. I have learned since then that there are two paths. However, that morning and again that evening, we got the gangster routine.

Since my wife and I love fine dining, we decided early on that we wanted to eat dinner that night at the Brown Derby (BD). So as we entered MGM that morning, we went to Guest Relations to inquire about making reservations. They told us we had to go to the BD in person to make the reservations. Okaaay. So after Little Mermaid and on the way to TGMR, we stopped by the BD, but no one was there. So we decided to check back later when they opened for lunch. Since the park was not crowded at all, I figured we would not have any problems making reservations.

By the way, I see in all of the other reports people using priority seatings. I sort of understand what that is, but if you know you want to eat at a certain place at a specific time, why not make reservations? Am I missing something here?

[Editor's Note: Priority Seating IS reservations at WDW now. The only difference between priority seating and normal reservations is that with priority seating you are not guaranteed a table at your seating time, just that you'll be given the first available table after your arrival. Normal reservations are no longer available at WDW restaurants.]

Speaking of food, it was about 10:30 and we were quite hungry. So went to the Studio Catering Co. food court to grab some snacks; you know, soft pretzels, nachos, brownies, candy bars, drinks. I know, I know, not very healthy. In fact, it was really bad. Most of the stuff was overpriced and too salty. It did stop the hunger pains though.

After the bad food, it was onto Muppets 3D. I knew we would like this from reading about it, but it was better than all expectations! The pre-show was so funny that we thought if that was all to it, it was worth it. I must admit I have never seen a 3D movie before. The Muppets 3D show just blew my socks off! I could not believe the effects, it was so…incredible. We both love Muppet characters, but our favorite is Animal which they did not show too much.

After the Muppets, it was onto the 101 Dalmatian backstage tour. This was pretty good; it was long and worthwhile.

Next was the Backlot Tour. This is patterned after the famous Universal LA tour, even though there was an effects show before we got on the tram. Overall, this was quite hokey. I may sound like a curmudgeon, but I have always thought that audience-participatory shows like this are kind of embarrassing. This was no different. The tram tour, including Catastrophe Canyon, was a waste of time. I guess I am spoiled by the tram tour at Universal LA.

Before we headed out to FW to check in, we took in the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular. This has an interesting story behind it. In 1995, my wife was watching TV and we happened to catch part of the 'Step by Step' TV show and they were showing some kind of Raiders of the Lost Ark stage show. We had no idea was that was. We thought it was maybe something at Universal. It was not until we read about MGM in the guidebook that we realized what they were showing was the Stunt Spectacular. Anyway, this was a nice long show and even though there were some audience-participation, they mostly kept in the background. I agree with the review in the guidebook that it suffers from pacing and continuity. I thought the stunt people did a good job.

By the way, we had just done most all of the big rides and shows at MGM and we had not waited in line for more than 10 minutes anywhere. So much for our fears of being over-crowded on a holiday weekend. I suspect the EE really had something to do with it.

At this time, my wife was not feeling too well so it was a good time to check in our Wilderness Home (WH) at FW.

By the way, most hotels don't allow guests to check in until after 2 or 3 pm. I don't understand why some people go in the mornings hoping to check in? It seems like a waste of time. We did not even bother going to FW until after 3 pm when we knew our WH would be available.

[Editor's Note: People that are staying on-site and that are using length-of-stay passes can use those passes on the day of check-in. In order to so so, you must go to your resort to pick up your passes even if your room is not yet available. It's almost like a pre-check-in procedure. You do, indeed, have to return later in the day to get your room assignment and keys, but for those using LOS passes, it makes alot of sense.]

It seems strange to leave a theme park in the middle of the day. I know that is what everyone does, but remember, I am used to day trips to DL or Universal LA where we have to get done all we want to do in one day. Besides, there were only a few more things we wanted to see at MGM, plus dinner.

We easily found our way to FW, even though I got confused whether we had to pay at the booth for parking. At this time, I can't recall what I did regarding paying for parking. I remember getting two parking passes to place on the dashboard for Saturday and Sunday. Whether I got these at MGM or at the booth or at FW, I don't recall.

Can someone enlighten me on this?

We had pre-paid for the WH so check-in was quick and easy. We loved the 'lobby' of FW, with its log cabin motif, fireplace, bear rug, etc. They explained to us the rules and procedures, including the generic card that allowed us to enter the gate into FW. I thought this was a good idea and I understand now that it is common to all of the WDW resorts.

We followed the little signs to our WH and it was just as we had expected, a real nice mobile home among the trees. I guess the best thing about the WH was its relative seclusion. No neighbors on the other side of a wall, no kids running up and down the hallways and plenty of room (in fact, a WH can sleep up to 6 people). All of you know more what the other resorts are like, but we thought the WH was a good deal.

After my wife showered and rested a bit, we headed back to MGM at 5:00 pm. I think our reservations at the Brown Derby (BD) was for 6:15, so we caught the Beauty and Beast (BB) stage show. Of all of the Disney movies, Dayle loves BB the best and she loved the show.

The dinner at the BD was excellent. It was a celebration for us since it had been exactly a year since I proposed to her. I truthfully forgot what we had but remembered that the food and the service was excellent. It seemed funny to see large groups of adults and kids at various tables since the atmosphere and prices reflect more of a formal dining experience instead of family-style restaurant.

After dinner turned out to be the highlight of the weekend. I guess it had rained a little while we were eating and the park emptied out. We then went on the Animation Tour and had a thoroughly enjoyable time. The film with Walter Cronkite and Robin Williams was very funny. The view of the empty animators' desks was fascinating (they were working on Hercules, which they showed a short preview; a movie I didn't care for at the time and still don't). The discussion with an animator was entertaining (I admired the CM for answering the awkward questions from the kids). Finally, watching the movie clips of Disney animation highlights brought tears to our eyes. The gift shop on the way out had some stuff we had never seen before, especially Pooh collectibles. We almost spent a lot of money in there, but resisted the temptation.

Before we left the park, we went on the TGMR again. Nice way to end an evening.

Sunday, December 1 - Epcot

After all of these years, we finally got to Epcot. After eating breakfast in our WH, we drove over to Epcot about 8 am and got to park close in.

Probably like everyone else, we planned to spend the morning at Future World (FW) and then after lunch, the World Showcase (WS). Since it wasn't very crowded, it worked out. Just after we entered the park, we went to Guest Relations to make reservations at the Akershus for dinner.

The first thing we did was Living with the Land (LL). The 'boat' tour through the dioramas and the greenhouse was good; long and educational.

We snacked a bit at the Food Fair there. We remembered it being quite tasty.

After LL, it was onto the Imagination building. The lines for Honey, I Shrunk the Audience (HISTA) looked long (it was an illusion since everyone was crowded onto the ramp), so we did the Journey Into Imagination (JI) because it was a walk-on. Boy, of all of the 'rides' I have done in my life, this was by far the worst one. I probably disliked everything about this, besides being incredibly boring, the characterizations of the DreamFinder and Figment really got on my nerves. I wanted to yell, "stop this ride, I want to get off". I would rather go on Small World a hundred times before I would go on JI.

When my wife read this report, she could not recall this ride and wondered why I hated it so much. When I explained this ride to her, she then remembered that she did not like it either.

We then popped over to HISTA. This I was looking forward to after enjoying Muppets 3D so much. I got to say, HISTA was probably the most side-splittin' fun I have ever experienced at a theme park. I had never seen that many adults freaking out; they were screaming! I loved it. I am glad it will be coming to DL later this year. The only thing we did not like was the long and incomprehensive pre-show presented by Kodak. I think they were trying to be artsy and clever. Most of the people were completely ignoring it.

Outside Imagination, we stood around and watched the jumping fountains. I had never seen something like this before, I thought it was fascinating.

On the way in that morning, we saw a lot of people gravitating towards Spaceship Earth (SE), so we decided to skip it until now. We cut through one of the Innoventions and like I had read, it was nothing more than a 'technology trade show'. Even though I love computers, we spent zero time in Innoventions and truthfully, thought it to be very out of place for WDW.

After reading other people's experiences at Innoventions, I still don't see the point of such crass commercialism.

SE was a joy to go on; a nice long, historical-based ride. A side note: just as we were starting to go back down the sphere, the ride stopped. When that happened, a recorded message asking everyone to stay seated kept looping and looping. In the five minutes we were stopped, we heard this message close to 75 times. It really got annoying. Afterwards, we tried some of the ATT hands-on, but couldn't get anything to work properly.

After SE, it was over to The Living Seas (LS). Dayle grew up in Florida and I grew up in San Diego, so aquariums are no big deal to us. We thought the LS was a little hokey and somewhat boring. We didn't know what the point was of hopping on the boat for a very short ride. If the boat took us on a 'journey' (e.g., SE, LL) through the history of sea explorations and aquariums, that would be worthwhile.

We then cut through both Innoventions (quickly) and headed to the Wonder of Life Pavilion. After getting our bearings and agreed where my wife would hang out, I walked onto Body Wars (remember, again, she was pregnant).

According to the guidebook, this is a very intense motion ride. I had been on Star Tours many times and loved it. So I thought Body Wars would be as good. In my opinion, it's NOT. I rarely got a true sense of motion, even while we were being 'pumped'. I think it had to do with the confusing surroundings being shown on the screen. In Star Tours, you get a clear sense of place, whether it's the take-off area, in space or navigating into the Death Star. I found Body Wars to be a jumbled mess of blood, tissues, veins and what-not. Nevertheless, I came out disappointed.

While I was on Body Wars, my wife was trying out an interactive video phone. She was talking with a lady on the screen, but I didn't connect what was going on. When she introduced me to her, she said hi. I looked at her, looked at my wife and then waved at the lady, feeling like a fool.

After that, we went into Cranium Command (CC). This was extremely funny and very clever. I enjoyed this almost as much as HISTA.

We caught the film, "The Making of Me", which was beautifully done and funny, too. I don't know why people react negatively toward this film, maybe it respects life too much.

After the Life Pavilion, it was time to head over to the WS and get some lunch. As you may notice, we by-passed Horizons (I don't remember if it was closed, we would have liked to have seen it) and Energy (no comment).

When we made it up to the Port of Entry, it finally hit us of the immense size of Epcot. Wow, you could fit several DL in this place!

After a satisfying lunch at Mexico, my wife started to feel poorly and we basically trudged through rest of the day. I love the idea of the WS and want to go back and spend a day there. I loved seeing the different architectures and knowing each place was stocked with hosts and hostesses from their respective countries or regions.

The one thing I wanted to do more than anything else that weekend was to attend the American Adventure (AA). I had high expectations for this and it exceeded those expectations. In my opinion, AA, HISTA and CC were worth the price of admission.

After AA, it started to rain and rain hard. Of course, like most people, we left our infamous yellow ponchos (that we bought in DL the year before) in the room. So in Morocco, we got another set and then we slowly made our way through the rain, barely noticing Japan, Morocco, France, UK and Canada. We did see the O Canada! presentation, it was well done. We canceled our reservations at the Akershus and decided to leave.

Monday, December 2 - TMK

Monday was an open day for us, since our flight did not leave until 5 pm. We contemplated driving down to Tampa, since that is where Dayle went to college. However, she did not feel up to doing anything so when I got up, I decided to kill time by going to TMK. I had to see Liberty Square and the Hall of Presidents (HP), as well as the difference between TMK and DL.

Unfortunately, I got a real late start (about 9:30 am) and it was EE at TMK that day. Not knowing my way around the TTC, I gave myself a half hour going there and back. Since we wanted to be at the airport at 3:00 pm, that meant we had to leave at 2:30. Therefore, that left me 3 ½ hours at TMK to look around, to take a bunch of pictures and go on a couple of things.

I didn't want to pay for parking, so at the TTC I used the parking pass from the day before (the guard did not look closely). After that, it was a good thing I gave myself 30 minutes because I made a wrong turn. I ended up having to go completely around TMK (saw the back side of Space Mountain, which was really cool). Finally, I made back to the parking lot the size of the state of Vermont and ended up parking fairly close to the ticket booths. I used my MKC to get a ticket for that day and got a 25th anniversary badge. I did know that one could take a boat or a monorail to the TMK. As usual, the monorail line looked line and the boat was boarding. It was a good thing I went on the boat because I got some great photos of the Grand Floridian (what an impressive complex), the Contemporary and of course, the approaching TMK.

From here on, my day at TMK was a series of impressions:

• It was very comforting to see the train station and the trains pulling in and out.
• The Welcome Center (the big yellow building) looked incredible, nothing like that at DL.
• Of course, the castle with its birthday candles left an impression. All I can say is I grew up wanting to see the famous castle (since it is much bigger than the one at DL), but I didn't get to see the castle on this trip.
• The Main Street Mall looked liked, well…a mall.
• Adventureland (AL) was really a surprise. I loved its size and variety of architectural styles. I took a lot of pictures of the buildings in AL.
• It was funny to see Pirates at the end of AL, even though the transition into the Old Caribbean motif was done beautifully.
• My favorite ride of all is Pirates, I had to go on this even though my time was very limited. I liked the queue area better than I do at DL, particularly the way the line snaked through an old fort and dungeon. Much more interesting than DL. The ride itself, as everyone concurs, could use a Blue Bayou restaurant with its haunting bayou scene. Since TMK already had a politically-correct version of Pirates, it was interesting to see what the one at DL would be like. Some of it I liked, some I didn't. I was glad, though, I went on this.
• As I made my way through Splash Mountain, it struck me as to one of the key differences between TMK and DL. Each of the major attractions at TMK were larger and more isolated. There was quite a bit of space between these attractions; which DL could not afford.
• I liked the way Frontierland was situated along the river.
• The transition into Liberty Square (LS) was well done. Of course, I took a lot of photos in LS, from every conceivable angle.
• The Hall of Presidents was quite good, another long, historical-based show. The opening film, I thought, was superb. I enjoyed watching the expressions on some of the president's faces while Clinton was talking.
• I was surprised to see a very different architecture for the Haunted Mansion. I didn't quite see how the stucco-based architecture fit with LS.
• Due to time, I completely by-passed Fantasyland and Toontown.
• On the way over to Tomorrowland, the other major difference struck me. TMK had so many small parks, walkways, ponds, gazebos, benches, flower beds, etc. This helped spreads things out and frankly, made TMK much more beautiful than DL. I think my best photo of the day was the one showing the castle (ugly as it is) being reflected in a small pond by a flower bed.
• Tomorrowland, of course, is what DL will look like next year. I only had time to walk around to take pictures.
• On the way out, I bought a bunch of souvenirs at the Emporium since we had not bought any that weekend. My favorite was the WDW: A Pictorial Souvenir book.
• Also, this being Monday, I was very surprised to see a great number of school-aged children. In fact, TMK was very crowded (as compared Epcot and MGM that weekend). Again, it being an EE day probably had something to do with it.
• The last surprise came when I left the park and instead of seeing a huge parking lot like at DL, I saw a large lake. What a culture shock!

The rest of day was very uneventful. We took the Epcot Center Drive back to I-4. Along the way, we got a quick look at some of the resorts. We, of course, could not help notice the Swan and Dolphin complexes on Saturday and we agreed: bad taste. However, the resorts along the Epcot Center Drive (Port Orleans, Dixie Landings, Old Key West) looked very inviting. Maybe someday we'll experience those.

My Top 10 Favorite Experiences

1. Long, entertaining rides at MGM and Epcot
2. Seeing the immense size and beauty of WDW
3. Honey, I Shrunk the Audience
4. American Adventure
5. Animation Tour
6. Cranium Command
7. Muppets 3D
8. Liberty Square
9. The architectural and landscape beauty of TMK
10. The Great Movie Ride

My Bottom 10 Least Favorite Experiences

1. Journey Into Imagination
2. Snacks at the Studio Catering Co.
3. Backlot Tour
4. Innoventions East
5. Innoventions West
6. The birthday castle
7. HISTA pre-show
8. Living Seas
9. Body Wars
10. Florida rain

Dayle's Top 5 Favorite Experiences

1. Animation Tour
2. The Great Movie Ride
3. Muppets 3D
4. Honey, I Shrunk the Audience (except for the mice part)
5. Cranium Command

Dayle's Bottom 5 Least Favorite Experiences

1. The birthday castle (she saw it from my photos)
2. Innoventions West
3. Innoventions East
4. HISTA pre-show
5. Journey Into Imagination

Note: With all of the words written about the Brazilians, we must have been incredibly lucky because we do not recall seeing any of these tour groups. Maybe it was the time of year*

If you had read this, thank you. We look forward to sometime in the future when I can go back and spend more time. Please keep the Trip Reports coming, I enjoy reading them.

Steve Clark

ouray@ix.netcom.com

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